Junk!

[carsNskis]

If cars were dependable there wouldn't be service centers or warranties. Good to know it didn't cost you out of pocket, it could have been a much worse ending than "they fixed it, problem solved"

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A warranty should be the assurance in the product as such, "We're confident in our product, but should you have a problem we'll take care of it".

Having a warranty is great, but when you have a product that's out of service for issues that it shouldn't have, it does not speak well about the quality of the product.

So while I agree with you that the problem is "solved", it has been an annoyance over just having a car that requires regular service and not much else. That's what I expected with the Sonic (or any car I buy).

Obviously your expectation was not met by reality... welcome to car ownership. I remember my first time.

It's fine and dandy to have your opinion. As you've begun to slowly realize (or perhaps not) , your opinion doesn't create fact. The manufacturer creates a warranty to avoid law suits, not help you or guarantee the product.

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[Puzz]

I suppose complaining on an enthusiasts forum fixes the problem masterfully

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Nope.. and neither does your mouthy, smart ass comments!

 

[Puzz]

Obviously your expectation was not met by reality... welcome to car ownership. I remember my first time.

It's fine and dandy to have your opinion. As you've begun to slowly realize (or perhaps not) , your opinion doesn't create fact. The manufacturer creates a warranty to avoid law suits, not help you or guarantee the product.

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I've had cars for 25 years and never had these problems with ANY of them. When you make a large purchase like this, you expect the company to be decent enough to build a sound product without falling apart before the first or fifth year of ownership, but I guess you idiotic, diehard, GM, "made in america" fans can't see past your own ignorance.. I purchased this vehicle in hopes that GM finally turned around and started doing some good but I was obviously duped.. I don't care if you spend $10,000 for a car.. It doesn't matter, it should NOT fall apart period!

 

[carsNskis]

I've had cars for 25 years and never had these problems with ANY of them. When you make a large purchase like this, you expect the company to be decent enough to build a sound product without falling apart before the first or fifth year of ownership, but I guess you idiotic, diehard, GM, "made in america" fans can't see past your own ignorance.. I purchased this vehicle in hopes that GM finally turned around and started doing some good but I was obviously duped.. I don't care if you spend $10,000 for a car.. It doesn't matter, it should NOT fall apart period!

My 25 year vehicle history is Toyota, Jeep and Honda, with an 85 Bronco and a 91 Pontiac Grand Prix thrown in. I sold my 98 Cherokee to make the down on this car because I needed reliability and good fuel economy. Not because it's an "American" car, but I like hatchbacks, manuals and turbo. Not many choices in the 17k range that offer those reliably.

The quality has been on par with any of the other 10 vehicles I've owned. Your experience is localized, addressed and covered by the manufacturer, yet you still bitch and moan. You open yourself to smartass commentary when you call a car junk that most of us here appreciate.

I've driven the piss out of my junk car with no major issues (so have most of us here), so I find your viewpoint difficult to agree with. I don't find myself alone in that regard. You'll find many more happy Sonic owners here than unhappy.

It's not flawless, but unfortunately in this age nothing is.



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[Ponchoguy]

Obviously your expectation was not met by reality... welcome to car ownership. I remember my first time.

It's fine and dandy to have your opinion. As you've begun to slowly realize (or perhaps not) , your opinion doesn't create fact. The manufacturer creates a warranty to avoid law suits, not help you or guarantee the product.

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So why did Hyundai create a 10 year warranty when they "re-entered" the market? It was to drum up consumer confidence which was at an all time low several years ago.

It helped bolster their market share and give people confidence that they were standing behind their (then) improved product.

Car commercials tout the warranty to get the consumer to think that they have their back in case of a problem. People are all about convenience today.

 

[Ponchoguy]

I've had cars for 25 years and never had these problems with ANY of them. When you make a large purchase like this, you expect the company to be decent enough to build a sound product without falling apart before the first or fifth year of ownership, but I guess you idiotic, diehard, GM, "made in america" fans can't see past your own ignorance.. I purchased this vehicle in hopes that GM finally turned around and started doing some good but I was obviously duped.. I don't care if you spend $10,000 for a car.. It doesn't matter, it should NOT fall apart period!

I agree with some of what you said. You buy a NEW car and expect it to be reliable. If it's just as troublesome as what you used to own, then you're not gaining anything.

Sure all the safety features and what not are great, but if it's sitting at the dealer's service department more days that you're driving it, or you don't have the confidence to get in it and go without trouble, then that's a problem.

The fact that this is an under $20k car and "we should expect problems" is silly. It should be reliable, period. Sure all cars have their problems, but what has gone wrong with my Sonic is beyond reasonable.

 

[Ponchoguy]

Nope.. and neither does your mouthy, smart ass comments!

Of course you're going to be "fans" of the Sonic, that's what this forum is about. But, to blindly expect everyone to think that all forum members think that way is unreasonable.

Let's face it, there are problems with this car. It is not a stellar success, if it was, GM would be pushing it. It's a loss leader, an economy car and I fear that it will go away in a few years and quietly fade, unfortunately just as Saturn did.

Saturn came out like gang busters, did well for a while and then sank like a rock. I want to like this car, but it has not shown me that it's a reliable car. I have to keep a back up car just in case of a problem. If this was my only car, I'd be firing up my NYC Metrocard when the Sonic goes down....

 

[Sailurman]

Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla

Can't fix stupid.....not even with Duct Tape

 

[Puzz]

So why did Hyundai create a 10 year warranty when they "re-entered" the market? It was to drum up consumer confidence which was at an all time low several years ago.

It helped bolster their market share and give people confidence that they were standing behind their (then) improved product.

Car commercials tout the warranty to get the consumer to think that they have their back in case of a problem. People are all about convenience today.

Actually, the 10 year was for the powertrain. 5 year 60,000 for bumper to bumper.. You are completely correct in what you're saying.. and because of that and the fact they build QUALITY cars, Hyundai and Kia are now both top car manufacturers in this country winning many awards, especially reliability and quality.. Not saying much for the minuscule 3/36,000 "basic" warranty that we're offered from gool ol' GM....

 

[Puzz]

Of course you're going to be "fans" of the Sonic, that's what this forum is about. But, to blindly expect everyone to think that all forum members think that way is unreasonable.

Let's face it, there are problems with this car. It is not a stellar success, if it was, GM would be pushing it. It's a loss leader, an economy car and I fear that it will go away in a few years and quietly fade, unfortunately just as Saturn did.

Saturn came out like gang busters, did well for a while and then sank like a rock. I want to like this car, but it has not shown me that it's a reliable car. I have to keep a back up car just in case of a problem. If this was my only car, I'd be firing up my NYC Metrocard when the Sonic goes down....

Once again, you're correct my friend. I just read the other day that sales for the Sonic have dropped a whopping 56% from last year. The worst drop than any other subcompact that was on the list.. And they're dropping the Sonic by the latest 2020 among other GM models that aren't moving.. What's GM doing about it?? Nothing. Obviously they don't care. Needless to say, this will most likely be my last GM vehicle..

 

[The Champ]

Think back to 1988 with the Pontiac Lemans and Daewoo. It failed back then. Then Daewoo and GM do the Sonic---things have not changed.

As usual, you're wrong again...opcorn:

The Sonic is the most recent recipient of the JD Powers Vehicle Dependability Study Small Car Award, as you already know...

2017 Vehicle Dependability Study Small Car | J.D. Power

I've owned one car that I had frequent problems with (not a GM product). As soon as I could afford to, I got rid of it and went back to a GM product.

I suggest that after 5 years it's time for you to dump your Sonic so you can get on with your life.

 

[The Champ]

Actually, the 10 year was for the powertrain. 5 year 60,000 for bumper to bumper.. You are completely correct in what you're saying.. and because of that and the fact they build QUALITY cars, Hyundai and Kia are now both top car manufacturers in this country winning many awards, especially reliability and quality.. Not saying much for the minuscule 3/36,000 "basic" warranty that we're offered from gool ol' GM....

Funny thing - the most recent dependability study doesn't list any Hyundai's or Kia's in the top 5 for small cars. See my previous post for link.

Sonic is #1, followed by the Versa, then the Spark, then the Mirage and then the Fiesta.

I just read the other day that sales for the Sonic have dropped a whopping 56% from last year. The worst drop than any other subcompact that was on the list.. And they're dropping the Sonic by the latest 2020 among other GM models that aren't moving..

You don't provide "the list", but it didn't have the worst drop....

Dodge sold 43,402 Darts in 2016. In the first 6 months of 2017 they have sold 8,955. Chevy sold 55,255 Sonics in 2016 and have sold 17,958 during the same time period.

Of course, Dodge discontinued the Dart in September of 2016 - but they still are available on dealers lots...

“If you’re a serious carmaker and you can’t make it in this segment, you’re doomed.”
— Sergio Marchionne, September 2012

“There’s nothing wrong with the car.”
— Sergio Marchionne, January 2013

“We have decided to de-focus, from the manufacturing standpoint, to de-focus on the passenger car market.”
— Sergio Marchionne, January 2016

In case you don't know who Sergio is - he's the head of Fiat Chrysler America...

 

[dannyg]

...And they're dropping the Sonic by the latest 2020 among other GM models that aren't moving..

Link please.

Per press reports, Chevy is considering reducing the number of sedans, but there's been no final announcement. As of now, from what I've seen Sonic is NOT dead. Crossovers are hot these days...not sure why.

That said, wouldn't surprise me if Impala and either Spark or Sonic were dropped at some point assuming gas stays cheap.

 

[Ponchoguy]

Can't fix stupid.....not even with Duct Tape

Maybe that's what GM should have used on the now admitted defective air intake ducts that they are now eating by the tons.

Why don't you suggest that to them?

 

[Ponchoguy]

As usual, you're wrong again...opcorn:

The Sonic is the most recent recipient of the JD Powers Vehicle Dependability Study Small Car Award, as you already know...

2017 Vehicle Dependability Study Small Car | J.D. Power

I've owned one car that I had frequent problems with (not a GM product). As soon as I could afford to, I got rid of it and went back to a GM product.

I suggest that after 5 years it's time for you to dump your Sonic so you can get on with your life.

So, you're stating that the Daewoo LeMans combination was a success?

(Not, it was a failure).

Fast forward to 2012, Daewoo/GM do the Sonic. No prize here.

As I stated, things have not changed. You think otherwise. Opinions are like you know what, everyone's got one. Yours isn't better than mine.

 

[Ponchoguy]

As usual, you're wrong again...opcorn:

The Sonic is the most recent recipient of the JD Powers Vehicle Dependability Study Small Car Award, as you already know...

2017 Vehicle Dependability Study Small Car | J.D. Power

I've owned one car that I had frequent problems with (not a GM product). As soon as I could afford to, I got rid of it and went back to a GM product.

I suggest that after 5 years it's time for you to dump your Sonic so you can get on with your life.

I suggest you keep your opinion about the Sonic and I'll keep mine. If you want to buy it from me and make me whole on having to get rid of a 5 year old car and go out and buy something else, then sure I'll get rid of it....

Until then, I'll keep it until the warranty runs and out, and of course use common sense for repairs that are easier and less costly to do myself over sending them to the dealer.

 

[Ponchoguy]

Link please.

Per press reports, Chevy is considering reducing the number of sedans, but there's been no final announcement. As of now, from what I've seen Sonic is NOT dead. Crossovers are hot these days...not sure why.

That said, wouldn't surprise me if Impala and either Spark or Sonic were dropped at some point assuming gas stays cheap.

I'd have to think the lower end cars would go first as there is likely less profit in them than something like the Impala which has a wider appeal.

 

[Ponchoguy]

Funny thing - the most recent dependability study doesn't list any Hyundai's or Kia's in the top 5 for small cars. See my previous post for link.

--The 10 year warranty and timeline I was referring to was back in the late 1990s-early 2000s when Hyundai re-entered the market after a run of poor quality cars from their first offerings in the US in 1986 onward.

Hyundai had to offer something over the top to consumers to gain their trust again.

 

[The Champ]

--The 10 year warranty and timeline I was referring to was back in the late 1990s-early 2000s when Hyundai re-entered the market after a run of poor quality cars from their first offerings in the US in 1986 onward.

Hyundai had to offer something over the top to consumers to gain their trust again.

What does the 10 year warranty have to do with them being "award winning" relable cars - like you claimed in your post I quoted:

Hyundai and Kia are now both top car manufacturers in this country winning many awards, especially reliability and quality..

Neither Hyundai or Kia's models made the top 5 in the most recent dependability study for small cars, just like I posted.

Once again, your wrong.

 

[The Champ]

So, you're stating that the Daewoo LeMans combination was a success?

(Not, it was a failure).

Fast forward to 2012, Daewoo/GM do the Sonic. No prize here.

As I stated, things have not changed. You think otherwise. Opinions are like you know what, everyone's got one. Yours isn't better than mine.

Your inability to read and comprehend is very troubling. It's not MY opinion - it's the result of the most respected long term dependability study in the United States.

YOU claimed that nothing has changed since the 30 year old Pontiac LeMans made by Daewoo. I wholeheartedly agree that that vehicle was not one of the finest to where the Pontiac badge.

The Sonic is a very reliable and dependable small car today.

And that is where you are wrong, again.