Sonic Dyno Thread

[sx sonic]

We need a nice single source for all the Dyno sheets and even GM's PID output numbers for all to find. Dyno sheets for both the 1.8 and 1.4t are in short supply and scattered throughout the forum; lets change that, if you find a dyno sheet or Even GM PIDs (torque values monitored by the ECM) post them in here.

Minimum requirements are: Username or company, engine (1.8 or 1.4t), transmission (AT or MY), HP and torque (eg 200hp@3,500RPM and 215ft lbs tq@2,870RPM), Octane, and modifications at the time of the run.

Preferably the following should also be included: Dyno sheet or link to Dyno sheet(mandatory for "Official" ranking), temperature, elevation, Dyno numbers format (SAE corrected, Uncorrected, etc), type of dyno, and any miscellaneous notes you feel may be beneficial.

I'm going to keep the requirement lax for the time being, Lets keep submissions honest and not fudge our numbers to try and gain bragging rights.

Also keep in mind that dyno numbers can and will vary based on factors such as ambient temp, humidity, number of pulls, type of dyno (or even between 1 dyno and another "identical" dyno), correction/format style (corrected, std, uncorrected etc.), etc, and obviously what's been modified.
While the results are useful be aware that simply comparing two dyno sheets may not be as telling as appearances would have you believe because of aforementioned variables.


Also any ideas and suggestion are welcome. opcorn:

 

[sx sonic]

Dyno Numbers

Dynamometer results.


1.4 Results
1. MPFab~~~~~~~~188.41whp, 237.75wtq. Tri(93)/IM/I/CP/E. Graph
a. MPFab~~~~~~~~~~~~174.oowhp, 213.oowtq. ^^Mustang dyno^^.Graph
b. MPFab~~~~~~~~~~~~120.oowhp, 129.oowtq. Stock(93oct)..........
2. Preloader~~~~~~171.16whp, 213.19wtq. Tri/E-85"B"/IM/I/E....Post #6
3. Brags~~~~~~~~170.10whp, 192.90wtq HPT(?)/I/DP+.............Post#48
4. Foxbox~~~~~~~167.oowhp, 226.oowtq. Tri(93)/I/DP/CB..........Post #33
a. Foxbox~~~~~~~~~~~162.oowhp, 216.oowtq. Tri(93)/I/CB...............Post #20
5. Kegsandeggs ~~~159.00whp, 210.52wtq T(HPT)/I/CB........... Post #28
6. ss2000slp~~~~~~159.oowhp, 190.oowtq Tri(93)/I/CB+ **********
7. TurboSonicBoom~157.75whp, 178.95wtq. T(93)/CB................ Graph
8. Trifecta~~~~~~~152.56whp, 193.61wtq. Tri........................Graph
a. Trifecta~~~~~~~~~~~116.37whp, 139.16wtq. Stock....................
9. cndctrdj~~~~~~~148.03whp, 183.70wtq. Tri(?)/I................ Post #38
a. cndctrdj~~~~~~~~~~130.oowhp, 138.oowtq. Stock(93oct)...****
10. OmgNoWai~~~~~138.33whp, 161.00wtq. Stock(93oct)..........Graph
11. SonicHotness~ ~138.oowhp, 139.oowtq. Stock(91oct)...****
12. wasteoffilm~~~~117.7owhp, 145.00wtq. Stock(93oct)/I/CB............... Post #27
13. Ol Blue~~~~~~~117.44whp, 142.34wtq. Stock(87oct)...........Graph, post#23
14. jetta~~~~~~~~~114.8owhp, 125.80wtq. T(88oct)/E/non turbo. (TQ in N/m). Post #7

1.8 Results
1. $ub$sonic~~~~~~125.5owhp, 125.oowtq Tri(93oct)/I/E.......... Post #36


LEGEND.
Tri = Trifecta Full Tune
Tri"B" = Trifecta Budget Tune
E-85"B" = Tri E-85, blue pill tune (stock clutch)
E-85"R" = Tri E-85, red pill tune (Auto, or upgraded clutch)
VT = Vermont Tuners tune
HPT= HP tuners
T = Tune (other than those previously listed)
Stock = O.E.M. tune
I = Intake
F = Air Filter
H = Header or Aftermarket/other than stock Turbo Manifold
DP = Aftermarket Down pipe
DP+= MPFab downpipe/midpipe
CB = Cat-back exhaust
CB+ = Cat-back with second cat delete
E = Full exhaust with cat &/or muffler
E+ = Full exhaust, straight piped
N2O = Nitrous
METH = Water/Meth Injection
TB = Ported or aftermarket throttle body
PH = Ported, aftermarket head/headwork
IM = Ported, aftermarket, or better than stock intake manifold
PT = Ported Turbo housing or manifold
T = Aftermarket Turbo
T+ = Upgraded stock turbo
C = Cams
AM = Airbox mod (Redneck Intake/RNI, etc)
IC = Intercooler
CP = Chargepipes

******= No dyno graph posting

 

[sx sonic]

GM PID #'s

PID Results

For those that don't know PIDs are the HP/TQ that the ECM calculates off the engine. They've been reported to be very accurate albeit it is a measurement of crankshaft power and not wheel power like a typical dyno; as such they will be higher but the old rule of thumb is that crank HP/TQ is roughly ~15% higher than wheel HP/TQ.

Trifecta users and VTuner users can both get their PIDs upon request of their tuner after sending in a log.

1.4 Results
1. Swordsmith~~~206hp, 212tq. VT(E-85)/I/CB+/T+
2. Turbotech~~~~178hp, 201tq. VT(93)..................
3. Kuntryboy865~170hp, 196tq. Tri(93)/I/CB.................
4. SX sonic~~~~~159hp, 195tq Tri(93)/I/DP/IM/TB/PT.......
a. SX sonic~~~~~~~175hp, 214 tq Tri(93)/I/DP/IM/TB/PT/CB******* HP was calculated off of torque and not from Trifecta, unofficial numbers.

1.8 Results
1. mitdr774 159hp, 130tq. Tri(93)/I/H/E

 

[sx sonic]

Link to MPFabs dyno thread http: //www.sonicownersforum.com/forum/morgan-performance-fabrication/9919-mpfab-dyno-graphs.html

 

[RSTURBO]

I agree! Even better lets see those dyno pull videos...

 

[Preloader]

This was back with the stock clutch and e85.

Dyno jet mobile. 100ft elevation. 1.4T 6-spd MZ4.

 

[jetta]

Hi SX,

here's my sheet... 1.4 non turbo, what more i can expected! LOL..

anyway, i used gasoline with the octane of 88, Dastek Unichip Q+, customized header and muffler exhaust.Managed to pull 114 on wheel from 100hp on crank..(estimated around 97/98 on wheel)





i'm saving to get a small snail and getting the things part by part.. hope i can push it in and get the induction sensation just like you guys out there...

 

[sx sonic]

Thank you Pre and Jetta for your submissions!

Just checking in, I haven't forgotten about the thread. I'm hand writing the dyno sheet numbers right now to prepare for the posted results (so it looks organized.......Hopefully). I've been rather busy for someone on layoff so it may be a few more days before I've posted what's compiled so far :/ .

Post anymore results anyone has, or if you come across a link mentioning dyno or PID results that isn't listed post them up, every bit helps.

here's a teaser for what WILL be posted
OmgNoWai & MPFab link (stock):http://www.sonicownersforum.com/for...ion/6678-stock-sonic-1-4l-dyno-12-ltz-6m.html
cndctrdj & sonic hotness link (stock):http://www.sonicownersforum.com/forum/1-4l-turbo-sonic-engine-discussion/5014-dyno-today.html
TurboSonicBoom link (modded):http://www.sonicownersforum.com/for...discussion/2330-dyno-tune-using-efi-live.html
Kuntryboy865 link (modded, PID):http://www.sonicownersforum.com/for...ngine-discussion/7690-ddmworks-stage-2-a.html
BNR/Trifecta link (Tuned only):http://www.sonicownersforum.com/forum/bad-news-racing/1063-official-trifecta-sonic-tune-thread.html

More to come

 

[cndctrdj]

So where is the dyno thread?
Did someone make it yet

 

[MPFab]

Here is my most recent graph.
2013 Sonic HB 1.4T 6spd
Currents mods:
Intake system
Aluminum intercooler hard pipes
Ported intake manifold
3" 304SS catless downpipe.
3" 304SS midpipe with 100cel catalytic converter
3" 304SS cat-back with two magnaflow mufflers
Trifecta "Full" tune right outta the box
93octane

The car was run on my the local Mustang Dyno. This dyno reads 8% LESS than the typicall DJ dyno. I have verified this on a local DJ dyno a couple months ago. I intend to put it back on another local DJ again for direct comparison.
WHP = Blue
WTQ = Black
AFR = Red
BOOST = Green

These numbers work out to 188whp and 231wtq on the local DJ I've used for comparison.

 

[Luv2xlr8]

It's all bunched up and hard to read. I think you should space them out for each person. Looks good though.

 

[cndctrdj]

It could be a lot easier if you just posted the user name and hp tq... No rpm. Then have a legend with mods and designated codes so it's easy to read and takes up no space. Then a link to the dyno sheet. And they can then see where everything peaks at


Like this
http://m.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=272372

 

[sx sonic]

Updated the 2nd post, much happier with the appearance. A big Thank You to CNDCTRDJ for the format suggestion .

I'm having trouple getting the links to the graphs to work, still working on that.

 

[MPFab]

Looks great! I would think the type of Dyno used is pertinent info for all of the listed numbers. Just a suggestion.

BTW I do not have an upgraded intercooler. Intk/full exh w/ 100cell cat/ported mani/charge pipes/Trifecta full tune

 

[Turbotech]

Vtuner 93 octane tune GM PID 178HP/201TQ

 

[sx sonic]

Looks great! I would think the type of Dyno used is pertinent info for all of the listed numbers. Just a suggestion.

BTW I do not have an upgraded intercooler. Intk/full exh w/ 100cell cat/ported mani/charge pipes/Trifecta full tune

Agreed on the type of Dyno used as well as what correction is used.

I'll add something once I get this link issue straightened out. I'm "daddy day care" for the next couple weeks, so computer time will be limited.

Also I'll fix your mod list, thanks for catching that. Oh and Link to the dyno sheet you sent me will be posted once time is available.

Vtuner 93 octane tune GM PID 178HP/201TQ

Thanks for the submission.

 

[cndctrdj]

Looks great. Good work and now to get all the dyno numbers from everyone

 

[Foxbox]

Hopefully the numbers are legible. I'm on my phone so it looks a little fuzzy.

162/216.

Mustang dyno.

Trifecta full tune
93 octane
ZZP intake
ZZP cat-back

Dyno is in Plainwell Michigan. Temperature was cold.

 

[Preloader]

Dang! Impressive torque! I wish they put RPM on the X-axis. But your HP looks very steady and continues to climb well to the top.

 

[Foxbox]

Dang! Impressive torque! I wish they put RPM on the X-axis. But your HP looks very steady and continues to climb well to the top.

Thanks.

Yeah was a dyno day at my friend's shop. I didn't wanna hold anyone up while they reprinted the sheet. I believe they save all the pulls though. I should be able to have it reprinted next time I'm there.