X Brace

[RayPiloto]

hello ray,

welcome to the forum.

i have seen your stuff on your Ebay store.
glad to see you here.

hope for more great products to come.

are you planning an atniroll bar or any new products?



good luck!

nir

Hi,
we currently have 3 other parts and are planning on making more after we launch the site!We are planning on making a 3-way adjustable sway bar for the rear. and a track sway bar for the front.

 

[RayPiloto]

Got my brace installed. The brace works well... But it does NOT fit with anything other than a stock down pipe.

Significant modification was necessary to achieve proper fitment.

We ended up cutting off the mounts and bolting just the mounts in, then lowering the brace itself where it attaches to the vertical tubes in order to achieve a better fit. Even with the further downward placement it still barely touches the exhaust.


Does the product work? Absolutely.
Could we have just built a brace for less money considering the modifications required to fit it? DEFINITELY.


Piloto::

Good product, great fitment on stock. ZERO fitment on aftermarket exhaust (which everyone has).


Saul

Saul,
I apologize, I am working on a solution and will get back to you in a few days.The car we built it on had an aftermarket exhaust that we built.. again I apologize for the inconvenience.

Ray

 

[RayPiloto]

Saul,
I apologize, I am working on a solution and will get back to you in a few days.The car we built it on had an aftermarket exhaust that we built.. again I apologize for the inconvenience.

Ray

Saul what exhaust do you have?

 

[Sauls Automotive]

I'm running the ZZP turbo back (Catless ) 2.5" (turbo to tip)

I'm not worried about it.... I'm just waiting for a front sway bar (!) LOL

 

[RayPiloto]

I'm running the ZZP turbo back (Catless ) 2.5" (turbo to tip)

I'm not worried about it.... I'm just waiting for a front sway bar (!) LOL

We are currently in the process of making a full track version of the front sway bar. I'll give you a special discount ;-)
Ray

 

[RMinNJ]

front sway bar

We are currently in the process of making a full track version of the front sway bar. I'll give you a special discount ;-)
Ray

Let us know. Conceptually I understand how a bigger rear sway bar increases
oversteer and makes the back of the car feel tight.

I'm a little confused on the front sway bar...a thicker one may increase understeer?

 

[tpayne]

Looks like I'll be waiting for a update I'd like to purchase this product but I too am running the 3" anaconda from Mpfab.

 

[NewZJ]

I messaged him yesterday and he says he won't send anymore out until they are modified, so you can purchase now and receive the modified one

 

[Dnm1012]

Looks like I'll be waiting for a update I'd like to purchase this product but I too am running the 3" anaconda from Mpfab.

That's is in my near future to and why I didn't order it.

 

[2014 Blue RS]

Let us know. Conceptually I understand how a bigger rear sway bar increases
oversteer and makes the back of the car feel tight.

I'm a little confused on the front sway bar...a thicker one may increase understeer?

My thoughts as well. Still interested but my Anaconda . .

 

[RayPiloto]

X-Brace fitment issue resolved! Yosemite Sam has come to the plate and he's bringing his car into the shop. He has the MPFab Anaconda,that with the information provided by Saul's Automotive (ZZP) we are fixing all fitment concerns today! I should have double double checked fitment with all the popular exhausts...my bad... again I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.
Ray

 

[2014 Blue RS]

Ray,
How will the X brace affect handling on my car that already has the DDM rear brace? Flatter in the corners, stiffer overall ride, etc. I'm interested just want to make sure the two mods do not conflict or cancel each other out. the rear brace has improved the cars handling. I don't want to re-introduce the under steer specifically.

 

[RayPiloto]

My thoughts as well. Still interested but my Anaconda . .

Hey guys,I'm seeing a lot of talk about causes understeer and oversteer. I just want to bring up a few things about understeer for now. First of all, the main causes of understeer on track typically comes from the drivers INITIAL steering input. By turning the wheel too quickly on the initial turn in,causes the front tires to slow their rotational speed that will cause understeer. Keep this in mind, grip in the tires only works when the tire is rolling.ABS for example keeps the wheels from locking up giving you max brake without lock up which would cause the car to skid instead of slow down. That point where we get max brake pressure and we are on the edge of lock up is what we call threshold braking in race cars. It is the technique we use in cars that DO NOT have ABS.So if you have ever had understeer and all of a sudden felt the front tires grip again,that is the moment your front tires started rolling again... Second of all, another common way that we create understeer is by over slowing the car on corner entry,which forces us to get back on the throttle which causes understeer as wheel. We typically don't ad throttle until we have reached or are about to reach the apex (exit of the turn)because we need to be able to unwind the steering wheel in order to not get understeer because we are accelerating. So.Let's assume you are doing everything correct and you are looking to ad performance to your car. Typically on a track for car setup we always stiffen the chassis no matter what surface we are on.Rally,Road Racing,Baja,whatever. Stiifening up the chassis reduces the amount of time spent waiting for the car to "Set" as we call it.Just think of a cup of water sloshing around and what we are doing is essentially freazing some of that water so there is less weight to slosh around and the cup/car becomes more responsive to our inputs. The suspension(Coilovers,springs,etc) however, are adjusted according to track surface. The bumpier the track typicallly the softer we tend to put the suspension to keep the rubber on the ground. The smoother the track the stiffer we can make the car in order to reduce weight transfer delays and get back to the power. I wish I could give you a black and white answer...Generally,for a street car like the sonic,it needs to be stiffened up significantly.
Conclusion: If you are getting understeer I would suggest taking some air pressure out of the front tires,soften up the front dampers or springs to start... also,slow down your initial turn in.(This is a small fragment of time) For that brief moment you begin to turn the wheel make it smooth,you can speed your steering up once you have transferred some weight to suspension. Hope this helps..

Ray

 

[RayPiloto]

Hey guys,I'm seeing a lot of talk about causes understeer and oversteer. I just want to bring up a few things about understeer for now. First of all, the main causes of understeer on track typically comes from the drivers INITIAL steering input. By turning the wheel too quickly on the initial turn in,causes the front tires to slow their rotational speed that will cause understeer. Keep this in mind, grip in the tires only works when the tire is rolling.ABS for example keeps the wheels from locking up giving you max brake without lock up which would cause the car to skid instead of slow down. That point where we get max brake pressure and we are on the edge of lock up is what we call threshold braking in race cars. It is the technique we use in cars that DO NOT have ABS.So if you have ever had understeer and all of a sudden felt the front tires grip again,that is the moment your front tires started rolling again... Second of all, another common way that we create understeer is by over slowing the car on corner entry,which forces us to get back on the throttle which causes understeer as wheel. We typically don't ad throttle until we have reached or are about to reach the apex (exit of the turn)because we need to be able to unwind the steering wheel in order to not get understeer because we are accelerating. So.Let's assume you are doing everything correct and you are looking to ad performance to your car. Typically on a track for car setup we always stiffen the chassis no matter what surface we are on.Rally,Road Racing,Baja,whatever. Stiifening up the chassis reduces the amount of time spent waiting for the car to "Set" as we call it.Just think of a cup of water sloshing around and what we are doing is essentially freazing some of that water so there is less weight to slosh around and the cup/car becomes more responsive to our inputs. The suspension(Coilovers,springs,etc) however, are adjusted according to track surface. The bumpier the track typicallly the softer we tend to put the suspension to keep the rubber on the ground. The smoother the track the stiffer we can make the car in order to reduce weight transfer delays and get back to the power. I wish I could give you a black and white answer...Generally,for a street car like the sonic,it needs to be stiffened up significantly.
Conclusion: If you are getting understeer I would suggest taking some air pressure out of the front tires,soften up the front dampers or springs to start... also,slow down your initial turn in.(This is a small fragment of time) For that brief moment you begin to turn the wheel make it smooth,you can speed your steering up once you have transferred some weight to suspension. Hope this helps..

Ray

I forgot to mention. depending on the tire you run you may need to ad some negative camber to keep more rubber on the ground through a corner.

Cheers!

 

[BSD]

Has the "$150 for first 5" deal been used up?

 

[2014 Blue RS]

If not, sell me one too!

 

[mendoza_juan]

Has the "$150 for first 5" deal been used up?

Talked to them on ebay, it's over but they said when they launch there website back up in may they'll be running specials

If not, sell me one too!

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[2014 Blue RS]

Cool. Saw someone else selling a brace. Box style instead of X. Not sure if that matters

 

[TECHSONIC]

Mr. Ray, I went to your site to purchase the Cross Brace, and my antivirus software reported your site as having Malware on it!! I really want to purchase the brace, but don't want to get infected! Just want to let you know about this.

 

[2014 Blue RS]

I even messaged him on FB but got nothing.