Junk!

[The Champ]

I'd have to think the lower end cars would go first as there is likely less profit in them than something like the Impala which has a wider appeal.

And as usual, you're wrong again...

In answer to Danny's question, here's the link to the USA Today article I read back in July on the subject:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...evy-volt-sonic-and-four-other-cars/501798001/

General Motors has put six of its cars under review and is evaluating whether to cancel them in the coming years, according to a report from Reuters.


The news comes as sales of cars continue to plummet in the U.S. and as consumers increasingly turn to SUVs and pickups.

Besides the Chevrolet Volt hybrid, other vehicles believed to be under consideration for elimination iinclude the Buick LaCrosse, Cadillac CT6, Cadillac XTS, Chevrolet Impala and Chevrolet Sonic, according to Reuters.

Cars in general have had a rough year in the 2017 model year. Although GM hasn't officially confirmed dropping of any of these vehicles, I would think that it will happen in the next 2 - 5 model years.

FCA has already dropped the Chrysler 200 and Dodge Dart.

Ford is doing the same thing:

Ford may discontinue production of the large Ford Taurus sedan for the U.S. market by the end of next year, and quit selling the subcompact Ford Fiesta here by the end of next year or in 2019, according to three sources familiar with the company and supplier planning. The C-Max, built at Ford’s Michigan Assembly Plant in Wayne, also is likely to end production by early 2019, according to one source.

Hyundai:

Hyundai Motor Co. is dropping the Azera large car and a hatchback version of the subcompact Accent for the 2018 model year in the U.S.

Both quotes from this link:

Sources: Ford, GM looking to kill slow-selling sedans

 

[Puzz]

What does the 10 year warranty have to do with them being "award winning" relable cars - like you claimed in your post I quoted:



Neither Hyundai or Kia's models made the top 5 in the most recent dependability study for small cars, just like I posted.

Once again, your wrong.

Yo.. dude.. I wasn't talking about the "small car" segment.. I was talking about Hyundai's and Kia's in general. You need to do a bit more research and get your head out of your Sonic ass!! The crap, mediocre warranty GM offers is proof enough that their vehicles suck. They obviously lack confidence in the long standing of their product or they would offer up a 5/60,000 bumper to bumper as well.. Also like Toyota. Another MUCH better built brand of auto's that follows Hyundai and Kia's outstanding warranty.
And I don't give a rat's ass what JD Powers has to say. They don't own nor drive my car and if they did, I'm sure their decision would be quite different.
BTW: relable is spelt reliable.

 

[carsNskis]

GM dropped their warranty coverage because their consumer research revealed that it wasn't going to hurt sales for Chevy because the last 10 years showed those who stayed brand loyal trade up into a bigger Chevy within that time frame. GMC and Cadillac kept the longer PT because those owners tended to keep the vehicle an average of two years further. Chevy brings in entry buyers with smaller affordable cars and when the warranty period goes up they're usually in a position to buy bigger. It's data and cost driven (just like all mfgs)

Hyundai has an impressive warranty... but a bigger warranty doesn't equate to less problems, or better engineering. They're under attack for soy based wiring sheathing that rodents can't get enough of and they're dealing with electrical issues like 80s and 90s VWs... They're not a flawless mfg, none of them are. You'll trade the minimal issues you've experienced in your Sonic for other problems with other brands. http://www.seedebtrun.com/2012/10/americas-worst-warranty-why-i-will-never-buy-another-hyundai.html/

Seems to be some distraction from current and relevant info... Daewoo?cmon maaaaaaan lol... The GammaII chassis is awesome and globally it's produced a dozen or more well received vehicles (all with different motors of course). Unfortunately the US CAFE standards dictated that GM go for economy and emissions targets so rather than use tried and true motors like they get in the UK we got the bastard 1.4 and I'll concede that was a huge mistake! GM made efforts to correct the problems they encountered in 2012my (2011 built) and the proof is the 350k or so owners that haven't experienced the same level of issues (intake hose cracking?? Oh no, what an utter failure ny GM and not the SUPPLIER that made them #sarcasm).

GM did step up, even though they didn't HAVE to. Considering Buick is the third most reliable brand overall for 2016 I think it's a good indicator that GM is moving the right direction.

Bemoan your woes all you want, but if you two (Puzz and Poncho) haven't figured out that you're preaching to deaf ears here on this forum then you're the two who can't see any further than your intestines...

Best of luck on whatever you both end up in next. I hope it's something you two have room to comfortably make out in...

[emoji593][emoji809][emoji472]

 

[Puzz]

GM dropped their warranty coverage because their consumer research revealed that it wasn't going to hurt sales for Chevy because the last 10 years showed those who stayed brand loyal trade up into a bigger Chevy within that time frame. GMC and Cadillac kept the longer PT because those owners tended to keep the vehicle an average of two years further. Chevy brings in entry buyers with smaller affordable cars and when the warranty period goes up they're usually in a position to buy bigger. It's data and cost driven (just like all mfgs)

Hyundai has an impressive warranty... but a bigger warranty doesn't equate to less problems, or better engineering. They're under attack for soy based wiring sheathing that rodents can't get enough of and they're dealing with electrical issues like 80s and 90s VWs... They're not a flawless mfg, none of them are. You'll trade the minimal issues you've experienced in your Sonic for other problems with other brands. America's Worst Warranty - Why I Will Never Buy Another Hyundai | See Debt Run

Seems to be some distraction from current and relevant info... Daewoo?cmon maaaaaaan lol... The GammaII chassis is awesome and globally it's produced a dozen or more well received vehicles (all with different motors of course). Unfortunately the US CAFE standards dictated that GM go for economy and emissions targets so rather than use tried and true motors like they get in the UK we got the bastard 1.4 and I'll concede that was a huge mistake! GM made efforts to correct the problems they encountered in 2012my (2011 built) and the proof is the 350k or so owners that haven't experienced the same level of issues (intake hose cracking?? Oh no, what an utter failure ny GM and not the SUPPLIER that made them #sarcasm).

GM did step up, even though they didn't HAVE to. Considering Buick is the third most reliable brand overall for 2016 I think it's a good indicator that GM is moving the right direction.

Bemoan your woes all you want, but if you two (Puzz and Poncho) haven't figured out that you're preaching to deaf ears here on this forum then you're the two who can't see any further than your intestines...

Best of luck on whatever you both end up in next. I hope it's something you two have room to comfortably make out in...

[emoji593][emoji809][emoji472]

No man.. Not deaf ears, just stupid ears.. I've owned several Hyundai's and a Kia and have had 0 problems with all of them period. Never in a garage for anything but oil changes and tire rotations.. You can love GM all you want.. Once again just makes me realize on just how stupid the majority of Americans really are.. wow..

 

[Puzz]

Once again, I've seem to have found another useless forum of douche bags that would prefer to *uck their beloved Sonics because they don't have anything else.. See ya little boys... LOL

 

[The Champ]

Yo.. dude.. I wasn't talking about the "small car" segment.. I was talking about Hyundai's and Kia's in general. You need to do a bit more research and get your head out of your Sonic ass!! The crap, mediocre warranty GM offers is proof enough that their vehicles suck. They obviously lack confidence in the long standing of their product or they would offer up a 5/60,000 bumper to bumper as well.. Also like Toyota. Another MUCH better built brand of auto's that follows Hyundai and Kia's outstanding warranty.
And I don't give a rat's ass what JD Powers has to say. They don't own nor drive my car and if they did, I'm sure their decision would be quite different.
BTW: relable is spelt reliable.

How much bad information can one person disseminate?

This whole discussion is about the Sonic. You question the quality. The Sonic is the most dependable small car - Kia and Hyundai didn't even make the top 5.

Earth to Puzz - you need to check Toyota's warranty - it's 3/36 bumper to bumper - Same as Chevy.

You may not care about JD Powers. You and notaponchoguy can go have a private pity party.

BTW - There is no such word as "spelt". I think the word you were looking for was "spelled". Thanks for noting my spelling mistake...

 

[The Champ]

Once again, I've seem to have found another useless forum of douche bags that would prefer to *uck their beloved Sonics because they don't have anything else.. See ya little boys... LOL

You can't realize how funny that is...

My other cars and trucks:











I hope your happy with your Korean cars. I am very happy with what I've got.

 

[carsNskis]

Once again, I've seem to have found another useless forum of douche bags that would prefer to *uck their beloved Sonics because they don't have anything else.. See ya little boys... LOL

Ahhhhhahaha... okaaaaay playerrrrrr. I'm 100% certain I made several points that didn't defend the Sonic, or GM. AGAIN choosing only to read what suits you.

Kick rocks

[emoji593][emoji809][emoji472]

 

[Ponchoguy]

What does the 10 year warranty have to do with them being "award winning" relable cars - like you claimed in your post I quoted:



Neither Hyundai or Kia's models made the top 5 in the most recent dependability study for small cars, just like I posted.

Once again, your wrong.

Because you missed (and continue to) miss the point. Hyundai HAD to offer a 10 year warranty because at the time there was ZERO confidence in their product.

It was that simple. Further, it's "you're", not "your". Please formulate sentences correctly.

 

[Ponchoguy]

How much bad information can one person disseminate?

This whole discussion is about the Sonic. You question the quality. The Sonic is the most dependable small car - Kia and Hyundai didn't even make the top 5.

Earth to Puzz - you need to check Toyota's warranty - it's 3/36 bumper to bumper - Same as Chevy.

You may not care about JD Powers. You and notaponchoguy can go have a private pity party.

BTW - There is no such word as "spelt". I think the word you were looking for was "spelled". Thanks for noting my spelling mistake...

From a guy that doesn't know how to use "you're" and "your", it's quite funny that you claim to be an expert on all things GM.

Aren't you the guy that put the Dis-Astre in the same collectable category as the other Pontiacs?

 

[Ponchoguy]

And as usual, you're wrong again...

In answer to Danny's question, here's the link to the USA Today article I read back in July on the subject:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...evy-volt-sonic-and-four-other-cars/501798001/



Cars in general have had a rough year in the 2017 model year. Although GM hasn't officially confirmed dropping of any of these vehicles, I would think that it will happen in the next 2 - 5 model years.

FCA has already dropped the Chrysler 200 and Dodge Dart.

Ford is doing the same thing:



Hyundai:



Both quotes from this link:

Sources: Ford, GM looking to kill slow-selling sedans

So you work internally within GM to know what cars are higher profit and which are not? I don't think you do.

 

[Ponchoguy]

GM dropped their warranty coverage because their consumer research revealed that it wasn't going to hurt sales for Chevy because the last 10 years showed those who stayed brand loyal trade up into a bigger Chevy within that time frame. GMC and Cadillac kept the longer PT because those owners tended to keep the vehicle an average of two years further. Chevy brings in entry buyers with smaller affordable cars and when the warranty period goes up they're usually in a position to buy bigger. It's data and cost driven (just like all mfgs)

Hyundai has an impressive warranty... but a bigger warranty doesn't equate to less problems, or better engineering. They're under attack for soy based wiring sheathing that rodents can't get enough of and they're dealing with electrical issues like 80s and 90s VWs... They're not a flawless mfg, none of them are. You'll trade the minimal issues you've experienced in your Sonic for other problems with other brands. America's Worst Warranty - Why I Will Never Buy Another Hyundai | See Debt Run

Seems to be some distraction from current and relevant info... Daewoo?cmon maaaaaaan lol... The GammaII chassis is awesome and globally it's produced a dozen or more well received vehicles (all with different motors of course). Unfortunately the US CAFE standards dictated that GM go for economy and emissions targets so rather than use tried and true motors like they get in the UK we got the bastard 1.4 and I'll concede that was a huge mistake! GM made efforts to correct the problems they encountered in 2012my (2011 built) and the proof is the 350k or so owners that haven't experienced the same level of issues (intake hose cracking?? Oh no, what an utter failure ny GM and not the SUPPLIER that made them #sarcasm).

GM did step up, even though they didn't HAVE to. Considering Buick is the third most reliable brand overall for 2016 I think it's a good indicator that GM is moving the right direction.

Bemoan your woes all you want, but if you two (Puzz and Poncho) haven't figured out that you're preaching to deaf ears here on this forum then you're the two who can't see any further than your intestines...

Best of luck on whatever you both end up in next. I hope it's something you two have room to comfortably make out in...

[emoji593][emoji809][emoji472][/QUOTE

Well there are some of us that know reality, and there are people like you that are just Sonic sheep and believe that this is a great car.

You and Chump, I mean Champ would make a great pair.

 

[Ponchoguy]

How much bad information can one person disseminate?

This whole discussion is about the Sonic. You question the quality. The Sonic is the most dependable small car - Kia and Hyundai didn't even make the top 5.

Earth to Puzz - you need to check Toyota's warranty - it's 3/36 bumper to bumper - Same as Chevy.

You may not care about JD Powers. You and notaponchoguy can go have a private pity party.

BTW - There is no such word as "spelt". I think the word you were looking for was "spelled". Thanks for noting my spelling mistake...

Not as bad as you calling the Pontiac Astre a collectable (and valuable car) and wrongly calling the Ventura an entry level car in the years which it was clearly proven it was not.

 

[Blue Moon Sonic]

Once again, I've seem to have found another useless forum of douche bags that would prefer to *uck their beloved Sonics because they don't have anything else.. See ya little boys... LOL

Talk about an ignorant and misguided claim. Sorry to burst your bubble,but I own European, Japanese, and American cars. All of which have been better quality than your so toted Korean made cars. Oh wait You guys mentioned Daewoo being bad? What's that, Daewoo was a Korean manufacturer Just like Hyundai/KIA? So many contradictions on the reliability of Korean manufacturers.

I've had family members that have owned Korean cars. They sucked. You know what they got instead of a terribly built Korean car? A bloody Jeep. You know what they had before the crappy ass KIA they had? A Chevy Blazer. You want to know what they both have in common? They're american manufacturers.

You want to know what my most reliable car is that isn't a sonic? Surprisingly It's the Mustang that I dumped 15k into to make it go fast and that actually goes fast. You know what else is reliable? My sonic that I've owned for 5 years.
What do they have in common? They're both reliable and have given me very few troubles and each have had their fair share of getting flogged around. The only car makes I'll buy are Toyota, GM, Some fords, Honda and some VW/Audi. I Wont touch Korean manufacturers like Hyundai/KIA ever again from past experiences.

You can love GM all you want.. Once again just makes me realize on just how stupid the majority of Americans really are.. wow..

I love how you bash american's, when you yourself are one. Though I don't fully disagree about the stupidity of the majority of Americans.

Now if you excuse me, I'm going to look into dropping in a 5.3L into an AWD Pontiac vibe with an IRS 8.8 rear end. opcorn:

 

[Puzz]

GM isn't the same as it was back in the day. Back then, ours cars ment something all over the world.. Greed and lousy management destroyed a once great company.. Then they went cheap. Then had the audacity to ask for a bailout from the government.. Why would anybody in good conscience want to help them out?? They did this to themselves.. Funny Hyundai and Kia have never had their handout for anything.. When Kia started to badly fall, Hyundai saved them and they've been doing great ever since.. Soul's are still selling like crazy as is the Optima. Hyundai's Elantra and Sonata as well as the SUV'S are selling like crazy. And the majority of them are made right here in their US factories.. They offer a much better warranty because they build a much better vehicle.

 

[Sailurman]

Once again, I've seem to have found another useless forum of douche bags that would prefer to *uck their beloved Sonics because they don't have anything else.. See ya little boys... LOL

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