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ahtoxa

ahtoxa

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Last time I bought some Gold Dots, I accidentally bought 124gr +P and didn't realize it until I was looking at it later, after I shot it. Can't say that I noticed all that much of a difference shooting it from a full-size 9 as compared to standard 124gr Gold Dots.

Normally I use standard loads 124gr.
 
SouthFLSonic

SouthFLSonic

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Gold Dots or Hornady Critical Defense is what I run for my defense rounds but I just realized that the Hornady are +P and my gun isn't rated for +P usage regularly so I use them sparingly.
 
mitdr774

mitdr774

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I would not put +P through a PF-9. You might get lucky or it might just let go. Maybe as a last round in the magazine, but I wouldn't want it at the top. My CZ-75 pcr is rated for 9mm NATO so it should handle +p without issue.
 
ahtoxa

ahtoxa

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+P seems to be likely to cause more issues when used in smaller guns in subcompact or smaller classes. Just a personal thought, I don't have evidence to back it up.

I know in the manual for my PPX it states that +P can be used, but it notes that more frequent maintenance may be required. +P+ is listed as a no-no.
 
SouthFLSonic

SouthFLSonic

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mitdr774 said:
I would not put +P through a PF-9. You might get lucky or it might just let go. Maybe as a last round in the magazine, but I wouldn't want it at the top. My CZ-75 pcr is rated for 9mm NATO so it should handle +p without issue.
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That is exactly where it is in mine, last two, and I only ran a few through it to be sure it would cycle and eject properly. I wouldn't by more knowing now that it is +P but it was an impulse buy when I couldn't find the rounds I wanted in the early days of the ammo scare.

Straight from the PF-9 manual:

The PF-9 pistol is manufactured in 9mm Luger caliber. The caliber is stated
on the right side of the grip, just under the slide. Use only this ammunition
and only if in compliance with SAAMI specifications. The PF-9 will accept +P
ammunition, however not with continuous use.

So it can shoot it but I sure wouldn't make a habit of it.
 
mitdr774

mitdr774

also a dinner prick
It can shoot it, but I read the warning to indicate that it will survive if used in an emergency. Using more than that and you risk damaging the firearm. That is just how I read it. My PF-9 has never had +P through it and likely never will. The M&P9 Shield has had a few +P through it, but I do not enjoy shooting them. The magazines are stacked with some +P lightweight rounds and Hornady 124gr alternating.

9x19 (9mm Luger) has a max SAAMI pressure of 35,000 PSI. The +P is listed at 38,500 PSI.
 
ahtoxa

ahtoxa

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There are two camps to the Hi Point crowd. One is "they are junk, don't buy. Will break if you fart on it; mine never ran." And "shot 12,000 rounds with mine, I can shoot the ass off a gnat at 50 yards and it farts unicorn dust."

Well, I am exaggerating a little, but the basis are true. Some love then and some hate them. The extremes of both are usually emotionally invested in it. Those that bash it had a bad one and are vocal about it. People don't go online to rave about good things as many as those that complain of issues. The ones that love it are also emotionally invested in it because they don't want to hear their gun bashed all the time, so they may over-glorify it a bit.

The truth is closer to the middle, but I suspect that price is relevant to quality somewhat.
 
mitdr774

mitdr774

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Generally you get what you pay for. The asthetics alone would keep me from ever thinking of buying one.
 
Sonicpizza

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I held one before and it felt like it had a made in China sticker on the bottom. But they are ridiculously cheap, and supposedly they have a lifetime warranty.

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SouthFLSonic

SouthFLSonic

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I have shot both the 9mm and .40 and they are very heavy and not put together to be a showstopper with looks. Both ran flawlessly when I was shooting them and I would buy one just for a nightstand gun(.40) with a little more "pep" than my 9mm.

I have heard the good and the bad with them just like any item made nowadays and for the price you can't go wrong for an entry/first time gun to educate yourself some before you buy a gun for 3 times the price and realize you don't know enough about how they work or come apart. Would't want to bet my life on one for a CCW but I see nothing wrong with owning one.

"If it goes BANG every time you put your booger hook on the bang switch thats good enough for me." I saw this quote years ago on a gun site when someone asked the same question you did about HiPoint and it always stuck with me and makes me laugh every time I think of it.
 
sonic007

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Ive shot the 9 and 45. The 45 was just rediculously heavy. It jammed at least 3 times while at the range.

The 9 jammed once but wasnt too bad. Id get one as a range gun. Never for carry or protection. I need something more reliable. Yes they have a lifetime no questions asked warrenty but that wont help me if someones running at me with a knife.
 
ahtoxa

ahtoxa

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SouthFLSonic said:
I have heard the good and the bad with them just like any item made nowadays and for the price you can't go wrong for an entry/first time gun to educate yourself some before you buy a gun for 3 times the price and realize you don't know enough about how they work or come apart. Would't want to bet my life on one for a CCW but I see nothing wrong with owning one.
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Allow me to play the devil's advocate here.

I see no specific merit to choosing a specific gun as a "first gun". I don't think it makes a difference, really. It's not like you're buying a cheap first gun because you're going to break it by learning how to shoot and thus you don't want to do it on a nice, expensive gun.

Some people buy an older car to learn manual on before they go out and buy that nice sportscar they saved up for, which I can see the reasoning for here. Lots of variables for a new person and they may not want to deal with potential damage/extremely early wear to an expensive clutch on the sports car by choosing an old beater to learn on.

A gun's a gun. Not too many mistakes a user can make in order to break one, just need to know how to maintain it.

So for a new shooter, I'd just recommend something solid, reliable and cheap. There are tons of guns to chose from, which will meet those criteria in the $350-550 range. On the flipside, a Hi-Point can turn a new person off from shooting if that gun jams here and there and has issues. Can be frustrating.
 
rdss

rdss

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FedAgent said:
I would, and have.

We actually find hi points most often when conducting seizures.
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Nothing wrong with that. That's why there are so many options, from cheap to over priced, for all of us that would rather stake my life on a brand with a proven track record for a hundred or two more and those that will buy a cheap gun because that's what they can afford at the time. Unfortunately I do not have anywhere near the firearms experience you have and probably never will, so your opinion is appreciated.
 
F

FedAgent

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rdss said:
Nothing wrong with that. That's why there are so many options, from cheap to over priced, for all of us that would rather stake my life on a brand with a proven track record for a hundred or two more and those that will buy a cheap gun because that's what they can afford at the time. Unfortunately I do not have anywhere near the firearms experience you have and probably never will, so your opinion is appreciated.
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I wouldn't buy a hi point personally, but as a cheap form of personal protection, it can't be beat. I'm a huge advocate for personal protection, and self preservation.
A hi point is a great "truck" gun..or nightstand, bump in the night gun. If it gets confiscated or stolen, you aren't out much money.

Thank you for the appreciation buddy.
What's your brand of choice?

My personal brand of choice is Sig Sauer. Love em :banana:
 
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