The Derploader

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Sometimes the desired stance, flush and ride height require a certain amount of neg camber.

It's more appearance and actually takes away performance when you go passed -2º.

Stuff, tuck and dump..... but for God's sake don't rub.

 

[Thaifight-R]

Ewwww that camber went full retard. Lol

Can someone explain the point of excessive camber? To me it's like wearing cutoff jean shorts inside out, ugly and impractical.

Can someone explain the point of putting an aftermarket exhaust or body kits on a car? That makes it less practical when you're near police stations or large dips.

To each their own...
(Although I'll have to admit, I'm not much of a fan of excessive camber either. lol)

I was just reading your explanation of this cause I had knew nothing about it. Are the benefits of negative camber just so you can lower a car and still have the wheel fit in the area its meant too?

It might also help for hard cornering. Of course, moderation is key.

 

[Eric Smit]

there is no point to a body kit or exhaust; they're stupid mods.

 

[SPOTWORK]

Who mods cars nowadays anyways, what a waste of money and not to mention it VOIDS WARRANTY.

 

[sx sonic]

Long live the SAB!!

 

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Just talked to doctor Dave. It's really moving along now. He did get the 3"DP to fit.:banana:

He's got it tacked up. And the intercooler is ready. He did have to mock up a tube/log header to get the turbo location just right. Taking metal on and off cast iron is not a simple task. Now that he has the turbo location dialed in, he is going to try to copypasta it by modifying a stock cast mani.

My fingers are crossed that it will be possible, but if not, I'll be fine with a tube log style.

Next is to get it all welded up and so the final touches, like WG actuator and one last charge pipe.

I'm hoping for some new pics sometime this week.

I'll share them ASAP.

 

[SilverScion]

Just wanted to thank you for keeping such a decent build log. Just bought my Sonic last Wednesday, and already feel like I know what I'm in for based on everything you've documented. I'm not going after your goals, but it's great to know what's possible!

-Sean


Typoed on my iPhone.

 

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I'm glad it's been helpful.

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Big news!!!!

My upgraded ceramic coated forged pistons are at DDMWs!!! I'll post pics soon. He wants to get them up on his site before I post them, so he doesn't get bombarded with emails and phone calls asking price and how to order them.

I also got him on the hunt for bronze shift fork tips for the M32. If he can't get an autocad from his sources, I'll send him a fork and he said it's totally doable.


I got to say, there was a couple months where this whole Sonic crowd slowed down to a crawl. I also was going through some painful family stuff myself.

But suddenly the iron is heating up and things are getting really excited again.

The second wind is approaching fast. Man the bow and raise your sails. (<---nerd alert)

 

[xupthree60]

I was just reading your explanation of this cause I had knew nothing about it. Are the benefits of negative camber just so you can lower a car and still have the wheel fit in the area its meant too?

Negative camber in general improve handling, as the car rolls it will roll onto a wider section of the tire. Too little and you roll onto the outside of tire, too much and you never use all of the tire. How much you need depends on you car and your particular suspension setup. You can tell if you have too little or too much by checking tire temps on the inside, middle, and outside immediately after getting off track. Ideally you want the temps to be the same across the tire.

You can use it to fit your wheels if you have the wrong size wheels/tires and too much drop. If you do this though, or your just a lazy civic owner, you will have very uneven accelerated tire wear.

 

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Negative camber in general improve handling, as the car rolls it will roll onto a wider section of the tire. Too little and you roll onto the outside of tire, too much and you never use all of the tire. How much you need depends on you car and your particular suspension setup. You can tell if you have too little or too much by checking tire temps on the inside, middle, and outside immediately after getting off track. Ideally you want the temps to be the same across the tire.

You can use it to fit your wheels if you have the wrong size wheels/tires and too much drop. If you do this though, or your just a lazy civic owner, you will have very uneven accelerated tire wear.

First paragraph was very insightful, and educating. The second was very opinionated. I won't say my camber is in the realm of ridiculous, but I did adjust it more motivated by looks than performance. Not everyone here is out to autocross.

Staring with an Economy class car platform, it's entirely up to the owner to pursue appearance, track performance, audio builds and so on.

I agree with your performance related statement. But then the rest was just more kindling to continue more arguing.

You can take that part to another thread next time.

 

[xupthree60]

Can someone explain the point of putting an aftermarket exhaust or body kits on a car? That makes it less practical when you're near police stations or large dips.

To each their own...

Exhaust improves the engines efficiency. What a lot of people don't realize is that an engine is really just an air pump, it sucks air in and pushes it out the back. The more air you can get in and out the efficient it is. With a Turbo car you want the free'est exhaust with the least back pressure you can get, with an n/a car you do have to think about it more because too little back pressure and you loose low end but get more top end and vica versa.

Now of course if your not racing then all it really does it make your car loud and change the look.

As far as body kits... There are some body kits and exterior mods that are designed to improve areo performance. Cwest kits for example are all designed in a wind tunnel, But in general they are just because someone thinks they look good.

 

[xupthree60]

First paragraph was very insightful, and educating. The second was very opinionated. I won't say my camber is in the realm of ridiculous, but I did adjust it more motivated by looks than performance. Not everyone here is out to autocross.

Staring with an Economy class car platform, it's entirely up to the owner to pursue appearance, track performance, audio builds and so on.

I agree with your performance related statement. But then the rest was just more kindling to continue more arguing.

You can take that part to another thread next time.

I didn't mean to offend or entice arguing.

To get that look, you need wheels and tires that are too big and wide, and too much drop. It might be the look you are going for and you might do it intentional but its still true. It is a popular look now days.

 

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Thai's comment was sarcasm based, but thanks for the history on modding. It is all correct.

If someone wants to defend why they do stuff just for looks, which isn't a sin, please take it to another thread.

I'm trying to keep this thread back on track, meaning new developments on my build and related discussion.

I didn't mean to offend or entice arguing.

To get that look, you need wheels and tires that are too big and wide, and too much drop. It might be the look you are going for and you might do it intentional but its still true. It is a popular look now days.

Don't worry, I'm not easily offended. I was just trying to steer this away from turning into beating a dead horse mob.

As far as looks. I maybe get to enjoy the most out of my performance 4 times a year at the track. I do however get to enjoy the appearance 365 days a year. Looks and trends are hot and not depending on your location and age and interest.

Here in Oakland, Buick LeSabres on 24's are the bee's knees (I think it's retarded). So I'm turning a lot of heads when I roll by with my slammed flushed Sonic. They don't see that style around here and the novelty is still fun.

In SoCal, I'd be lost in the crowd.

 

[Honey Badger]

Wow, that sonic is really impressive, respect for all that time and effort.

Three questions though. What is your best 1/4, after switching to E85 what was the initial effect on your mpg, and in what rpm range did you notice the biggest increase in power?

 

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Been a while since I hit the track, my best so far was 14.56, I'm ready to do better.

E85 knocked 10-12MPG off, but costs about 25-30% cheaper than 91.

Most noticeable power gain is at about 4,000.

 

[Kuntryboy865]

I'm looking to get that hood around tax season, is it an easy install? any fitment issues?

 

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Super easy install. You'll need shorter hinge bolts. And some of the holes have to be enlarged. Like the holes for the washer sprayers, and the hood insulation clips.

But it's like a 20 minute install.

 

[Kuntryboy865]

Super easy install. You'll need shorter hinge bolts. And some of the holes have to be enlarged. Like the holes for the washer sprayers, and the hood insulation clips.

But it's like a 20 minute install.

What did you use to enlarge the holes? I have a dremmel would that work? and where do I get shorter hinge bolts.

 

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I used a drill. The carbon fiber bores out very easily.

The bolts are just shorter metric replacements for the stock bolts. You can remove one of your's now and take it to a hardware store and get 4 that are about 1/2" shorter.