Buick Encore Brakes to Sonic
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Stew
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Ordered the pads.
Alright, so the tally so far to convert from Sonic OEM 10.8" (276mm) front brakes to Buick Encore 11.8" (300mm) front brakes looks like this:
$118 - Two rotors, amount includes tax & ship
$63 - Two caliper brackets, amount includes tax & ship
$49 - Brake pads, amount includes tax, picked up from local auto part store
$20 - Caliper bracket mounting bolts
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$250 total for 11.8" OEM front brakes
Not a bad deal, ZZP wants $500 for their 12" big brake kit and Brembo wants $2800 for their 12.9" big brake kit. The amount saved compared to the next least expensive kit is enough that you can almost convert to OEM rear discs too!
Alright, so the tally so far to convert from Sonic OEM 10.8" (276mm) front brakes to Buick Encore 11.8" (300mm) front brakes looks like this:
$118 - Two rotors, amount includes tax & ship
$63 - Two caliper brackets, amount includes tax & ship
$49 - Brake pads, amount includes tax, picked up from local auto part store
$20 - Caliper bracket mounting bolts
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$250 total for 11.8" OEM front brakes
Not a bad deal, ZZP wants $500 for their 12" big brake kit and Brembo wants $2800 for their 12.9" big brake kit. The amount saved compared to the next least expensive kit is enough that you can almost convert to OEM rear discs too!
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Local auto part store didn't have in stock. Looking at part numbers for the Encore pads and Cruze diesel pads on newgmparts, they are the same. I'm going to check with the Chevy dealer a few miles away and see if they stock the Cruze diesel pads and if they don't want my first born for the set I'll pick them up.
I looked at EBC brakes and they don't list an application for the Cruze diesel or Encore
look in Europe.
the buick encore and the chevy trax that sold in Europe are the same platform.
the EBC greenstuff for the chevy trax is: DP22067
that's the part number.
EBC Brakes Direct Automotive
i found it also in the us, here:
http://www.carid.com/ebc-brakes/greenstuff-2000-series-front-sport-brake-pads-mpn-dp22067.html
look at the car fitment, it says also cruze.
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CjCsonic
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I saw them on ebay, that part number too. I already have pads locally coming in so I'm covered but for the future this might be my choice. Thanks!!
It look like the abs sensors, and rear e-brake cables are the same P# from rear drum to rear disc. Based on that, all you need to swap to RS/Encore rear disc brakes are the complete calipers(with abutment brackets), rear pads, rear caliper brackets(P# listed in this thread), rear brake hoses, and rear rotors. You could also purchase the dust shields, but they're not needed.
So far I've got $37 in new OEM caliper brackets, $140 is used OEM complete calipers for a total of $177. Rear, aftermarket rotors(Raybestos) can be bought for as low as $56 for both L&R, and rear pads(Raybestos) are as low as $22.
Based on that, I can convert everything over for around $255 total. Obviously, scoring a complete set of rear calipers for so cheap is the largest contributing factor, but all that takes is a little time and patience.
Most likely, I will be using drilled/slotted rotors, and better pads, but even then, I'll have less in it than the aftermarket kit that's out.
The next thing I want to figure out is stainless braided lines to replace the rubber ones.
I also have a set of 4 piston radial mount Brembos from a 928S Porsche(same calipers in Brembo kit for Sonic) that I will be attempting to get on the fronts along with some 13" rotors(wheel clearance is possibly an issue). If that doesn't work, I'll go with the larger Encore front brakes outlined here. I'm very excited about this!!
So far I've got $37 in new OEM caliper brackets, $140 is used OEM complete calipers for a total of $177. Rear, aftermarket rotors(Raybestos) can be bought for as low as $56 for both L&R, and rear pads(Raybestos) are as low as $22.
Based on that, I can convert everything over for around $255 total. Obviously, scoring a complete set of rear calipers for so cheap is the largest contributing factor, but all that takes is a little time and patience.
Most likely, I will be using drilled/slotted rotors, and better pads, but even then, I'll have less in it than the aftermarket kit that's out.
The next thing I want to figure out is stainless braided lines to replace the rubber ones.
I also have a set of 4 piston radial mount Brembos from a 928S Porsche(same calipers in Brembo kit for Sonic) that I will be attempting to get on the fronts along with some 13" rotors(wheel clearance is possibly an issue). If that doesn't work, I'll go with the larger Encore front brakes outlined here. I'm very excited about this!!
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i would like very much to have the brembo GT line to the sonic...
but the 3600$ is not an option.
if we could have the front at 300mm rotors with a good brake fluid and better pads like the EBC i think that could be better.
i was looking for the Gm performance brake kit, as they have the 300mm rotors and better calipers, with the fixed bridges.
but i don't get any response from my local dealer.
(i am not from the us..).
so the front brakes swap from the Encore\trax platform remain the current possible option, if it will be possible..
but i can't stay with the stock RS brakes, they fade after few hard brakes...
but the 3600$ is not an option
.if we could have the front at 300mm rotors with a good brake fluid and better pads like the EBC i think that could be better.
i was looking for the Gm performance brake kit, as they have the 300mm rotors and better calipers, with the fixed bridges.
but i don't get any response from my local dealer.
(i am not from the us..).
so the front brakes swap from the Encore\trax platform remain the current possible option, if it will be possible..
but i can't stay with the stock RS brakes, they fade after few hard brakes...
i heard that before, but somehow a lot of sites that are selling gm parts, have them on site..
Chevrolet Parts - GM Parts Department: Buy genuine GM auto parts & aftermarket accessories at wholesale prices.
Part Number Search - GMPartsOnline.net
GmPartsShop.com - General Motors Parts - OEM GM Parts ? Chevy Silverado Parts - Factory GM Parts
so it is still an engima..
part number 23124391
Chevrolet Parts - GM Parts Department: Buy genuine GM auto parts & aftermarket accessories at wholesale prices.
Part Number Search - GMPartsOnline.net
GmPartsShop.com - General Motors Parts - OEM GM Parts ? Chevy Silverado Parts - Factory GM Parts
so it is still an engima..
part number 23124391
CheapFuneral
New member
i heard that before, but somehow a lot of sites that are selling gm parts, have them on site..
Chevrolet Parts - GM Parts Department: Buy genuine GM auto parts & aftermarket accessories at wholesale prices.
Part Number Search - GMPartsOnline.net
GmPartsShop.com - General Motors Parts - OEM GM Parts ? Chevy Silverado Parts - Factory GM Parts
so it is still an engima..
part number 23124391
Maybe it's old stock. If that's what you want Id jump on it.
**** you auto correct!
CjCsonic
New member
It'll be 50/50 either it's old stock, like said above, or you'll get a email or notification that they don't have them. Either way if they supposedly have it and you want it jump on it.....i heard that before, but somehow a lot of sites that are selling gm parts, have them on site..
Chevrolet Parts - GM Parts Department: Buy genuine GM auto parts & aftermarket accessories at wholesale prices.
Part Number Search - GMPartsOnline.net
GmPartsShop.com - General Motors Parts - OEM GM Parts ? Chevy Silverado Parts - Factory GM Parts
so it is still an engima..
part number 23124391
Sneakerfix
New member
It's always has been a bolt on 12" swap for the sonic or cruze now we just have a choice for 2 Pistons or 1 piston
CjCsonic
New member
Well folks it's March 2nd 2015 and I now have a part number for the rear calipers on the encore and sonic. I already called on availability, only r&r for now. We sell A1 Cardone here they are black powder coated I wish they were available.....
Just FYI for anyone looking and wondering.
Stew
Sedans Rule!
For fun I was pricing out the parts for the rear disc swap on newgmparts last night, it won't be as inexpensive using mostly OEM stuff compared to doing it like MPFab, but I may go that way. Well except for pads and rotors, I'll probably get those at a place like rockauto.
As soon as the rest of the front brake stuff gets here and I get it all on the car I'll be doing the rear disc conversion. So in about another week, maybe two I'll have the brakes fully converted and I can cross that off my list.
As soon as the rest of the front brake stuff gets here and I get it all on the car I'll be doing the rear disc conversion. So in about another week, maybe two I'll have the brakes fully converted and I can cross that off my list.
ScarabEpic22
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Since I'm spoiled and have an RS w/rear disks, just means I'm looking forward to upgrading the fronts of my RS! Stew, please let me know if you need a hand, be happy to meet you on a weekend and help you throw everything together.
11.8" front brakes...mmmm yesss.
11.8" front brakes...mmmm yesss.
Stew
Sedans Rule!
Here's the left bracket. BEEFY!
Walker, are we going to need longer bolts to accommodate the thickness of the rear caliper brackets or will it be a wash once you take off the drum backing plate?
gmpartsdirect.com
Best pricing of any of the gm parts sites I've found.
Buying new OEM complete calipers will be a lot more. Calipers are $117ea, and the abutment brackets are around $50ea. Roughly $200 more than what I spent.
Good question. Don't know. I can check part #s.
CjCsonic
New member
Looks like someone, MPFab......., bought the last and only set of decently priced rear calipers on fleabay. I knew I should have jumped on them when I saw them...:sadbanana:
The good news if anyone is looking for front calipers with the brackets needed for the swap there are still a couple good deals left on fleabay. Just FYI.
My parts should be here Friday at some point so based on the tracking, we shall see! Right now it seems it's a race for the few of us who committed to trying the swap to get it on and post the results.:banana:
, bought the last and only set of decently priced rear calipers on fleabay. I knew I should have jumped on them when I saw them...:sadbanana:The good news if anyone is looking for front calipers with the brackets needed for the swap there are still a couple good deals left on fleabay. Just FYI.
My parts should be here Friday at some point so based on the tracking, we shall see! Right now it seems it's a race for the few of us who committed to trying the swap to get it on and post the results.:banana:
